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[quote="Court":wy53r8bi]
It is sad for a lot of countries because we are the "ideal" country. Especially for 2nd or 3rd world countries who view America as the Land of Opportunity. For this tragedy to happen...is shocking. No one is suppose to fuck with America...we are the democratic and just country. So for terrorist to kill thousands of innocent people because they believe in caveman ethics...is sad.

Also for other 1st world countries it means "if we can be attacked....you can too and it will happen eventually." Plus I think people regardless of nationality can identify with the loss of life on a meaningless principles.
[/quote:wy53r8bi]


Sorry, didnt see this before I wrote my first reply.

Like I had said in my last post, it is sad. It was a tragedy. But for people to be crying and flipping shit when they werent effected by it at all just baffles me. I understand that to a lot of countries were the home of the brave and free and all that stuff, but I dont really believe were the "ideal" country. Its full of poverty, racism, violence and a corrupt government. On one hand, I will say that we do have more opportunities then most other countries, most americans just dont take them.

And, It actually wasnt very shocking, to tell you the truth. Terrorists had tried blowing up the world trade center in 1993. Thats why the government had rebuilt the centers in a way so that if their was another attack, the towers wouldnt completely collapse. They made the beams so if a plane were to hit the top of the towers, only the first few levels would collapse. Thats why I'm so sour on this subject, because I dont believe those buildings went down just from the plane alone.

Okay, I could rant for hours about that, so getting back to the point. Even people[b:wy53r8bi] in [/b:wy53r8bi]America live by caveman principals. Its everywhere. And its true, people can identify with the loss of human life, but to cry over a life you never knew? Maybe I'm just heartless, but I dont cry for things like that. I also didnt cry when the Trade centers went down, despite watching it, smelling the smoke, and my friends family dying. Yes, I knew some of them, but it didnt feel right to cry for someone I barely knew. And its sad that all those people had to die, but getting back to my conspiracy theories, I dont think it was because of another countries idiotic principals. truthfully, i believe it was from our then presidents attempts to go down in history like his father, and to salvage the rising gas prices. By invading those countries, we had access to all their oil. But once again, I'm not getting into that.

Like I said, I understand having sympathy, but nothing further. Who knows, maybe I am just heartless.

[i:3evx2t9n]We're all living in Amerika
Amerika ist wunderbar[/i:3evx2t9n]

[quote="GreenEyedBitch925":38ociiyz]
Sorry, didnt see this before I wrote my first reply.

Like I had said in my last post, it is sad. It was a tragedy. But for people to be crying and flipping shit when they werent effected by it at all just baffles me. I understand that to a lot of countries were the home of the brave and free and all that stuff, but I dont really believe were the "ideal" country. Its full of poverty, racism, violence and a corrupt government. On one hand, I will say that we do have more opportunities then most other countries, most americans just dont take them.

And, It actually wasnt very shocking, to tell you the truth. Terrorists had tried blowing up the world trade center in 1993. Thats why the government had rebuilt the centers in a way so that if their was another attack, the towers wouldnt completely collapse. They made the beams so if a plane were to hit the top of the towers, only the first few levels would collapse. Thats why I'm so sour on this subject, because I dont believe those buildings went down just from the plane alone.

Okay, I could rant for hours about that, so getting back to the point. Even people[b:38ociiyz] in [/b:38ociiyz]America live by caveman principals. Its everywhere. And its true, people can identify with the loss of human life, but to cry over a life you never knew? Maybe I'm just heartless, but I dont cry for things like that. I also didnt cry when the Trade centers went down, despite watching it, smelling the smoke, and my friends family dying. Yes, I knew some of them, but it didnt feel right to cry for someone I barely knew. And its sad that all those people had to die, but getting back to my conspiracy theories, I dont think it was because of another countries idiotic principals. truthfully, i believe it was from our then presidents attempts to go down in history like his father, and to salvage the rising gas prices. By invading those countries, we had access to all their oil. But once again, I'm not getting into that.

Like I said, I understand having sympathy, but nothing further. Who knows, maybe I am just heartless.
[/quote:38ociiyz]


I find it horrible to lose human life for a ridiculous radical sect. I felt horrible for the families even though I didnt know them. What if that had been my Dad? My mom? my brother or my sister? For the 5,000 people that died it directly affects probably 20,000 thats just assuming they have only 4 direct relatives.

America is much better off than many countries. Im not saying we are perfect...hell no. But for many many many people we are the shiny beacon of hope. So for many hopeful immigrants it was weird to see a strong country under attack.

As for it not to be shocking, terrorism isnt shocking. Obviously like you said, in 1993 terrorist blew up a bomb in the basement. What is shocking is the widescale plan that was not stopped. The plan could have easily been foiled but it wasn't. From what I remember reading after the attacks about the architecture that it was flawed. the beams they used were flexible to allow movement for winds and the "possible accident of small aircraft." The beams however were constructed too short and didnt provide flexibility for the plane. Plus the plane was much bigger than the model plane they used for construction. I absolutely believe the plane brought down the building. Like I said with time studies may have changed with further development and investigation.


Was I running down the streets crying and yelling? No, but was I crying? Absolutely. I think if more people identified with another and considered another there would be far less crime. It is easier to shut off people and be apathetic to others than it is to feel for them. I find it much easier to be desensitized than open your eyes and be empthatic.

Pictures of MJ two days before death.

[url=http://justjared.buzznet.com/2009/06/29/michael-jackson-final-rehearsal:2f7mmg9d]http://justjared.buzznet.com/2009/06/29/mi...final-rehearsal[/url:2f7mmg9d]

[quote="GreenEyedBitch925":2czk6wnr]
EDIT: Just to throw out there, 9/11 was a tragedy, but i dont understand how it effects people in other countries. Your safe, its us the terrorists hate.
[/quote:2czk6wnr]

wow... really? come on... Nice thoughtful post there.
There have been tons of terrorist attacks in other countries. It also effects people in other countries because plenty of those other countries ended up going to war with us.

[quote="tracy.":2czk6wnr]
[i:2czk6wnr]We're all living in Amerika
Amerika ist wunderbar[/i:2czk6wnr]
[/quote:2czk6wnr]

[i:2czk6wnr]coca cola, wonder bra[/i:2czk6wnr].

Of course events like 9/11 upset the people that weren't directly effected. It was an absolutely heart-breaking event, thousands of innocent lives were taken. These are our fellow human beings..and it really does make me sad to think about how horrific what they went through must have been.

I feel bad for Michael's children. However i find it so strange everyone is so upset over this. Like I said...I think it is horrible he died so suddenly but he seemed like a tortured soul. let him rest in peace and move on.

honestly, I am finding it so hard to care about this right now

What was the last pizza delivered to the World Trade Center?



















Two Large Planes.

I was at Glasto whilst I heard the news and it shocked me quite a lot actually.

come on 9/11 jokes, really?

fucks sake.

[quote="tom316":1v12yaq8]
come on 9/11 jokes, really?

fucks sake.
[/quote:1v12yaq8]


What was the last thing to go through the jumpers mind as he jumped out of the WTC?














His ankles.

"Everything that moves must be ridiculed."

I'm trying to understand that second joke.. I must be missing something.

[quote="meatfilledpastry":2pd4yw96]
wow... really? come on... Nice thoughtful post there.
There have been tons of terrorist attacks in other countries. It also effects people in other countries because plenty of those other countries ended up going to war with us.
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I know, I'm quite thoughtful.

Again, I understand theres been tons of terrorist attacks. I'm talking about 9/11 in general. Like the terrorist attacks in Barcelona, for example. Yes, americans and i'm sure everyone else felt bad for them and for all the people who died, but we werent, as court put it "running down the street screaming and crying."

I'm not saying people can't feel sympathy for all the victims, I'm just saying its nothing to cry over if it didnt effect you personally.

Its like ... if one of your friends dies, and you go to the funeral and see people that your friend never even met crying over the coffin, its kind of stupid, right? And its a tragedy to many people, and people who have heard of your friend are sympathetic, but their not bawling crying.

My point was, the people crying over it who werent directly effected are being overly-emotional and its just ridiculous.


[quote="Vicky Wild":2pd4yw96]
Of course events like 9/11 upset the people that weren't directly effected. It was an absolutely heart-breaking event, thousands of innocent lives were taken. These are our fellow human beings..and it really does make me sad to think about how horrific what they went through must have been.
[/quote:2pd4yw96]



Again, I'm quite aware it was a heart-breaking event. Again, I [b:2pd4yw96]watched[/b:2pd4yw96] it happen. And once again going to the sympathy thing, I understand when people feel bad and their hearts go out to victims, BUT I've seen people over-react about the whole situation many times. People who lived on the other side of the state, had no connections to anyone in the building or anyone trying to help people get out of the building and probably didnt even know what the building was for act like their entire world was flipped upside down. I understand this event triggered this endless fucking war, and my heart goes out to the soldiers, it does. My ex and his best friend joined the marines a few months back.

I've had conversations with people who sat infront of me and cried over this, who werent effected by it and didnt know anyone effected by it. At the time they didnt know we were still in a war.

ALL i'm saying is, its okay to be sympathetic but to be full out distraught when it has nothing to do with you is ridiculous. Plane and simple.

I cried when Reese Witherspoon won an Oscar. A lot of people are very sensitive, and 9/11 obviously was an event to be sensitive about.

[quote="Court":3mqznwex]
I find it horrible to lose human life for a ridiculous radical sect. I felt horrible for the families even though I didnt know them. What if that had been my Dad? My mom? my brother or my sister? For the 5,000 people that died it directly affects probably 20,000 thats just assuming they have only 4 direct relatives.

America is much better off than many countries. Im not saying we are perfect...hell no. But for many many many people we are the shiny beacon of hope. So for many hopeful immigrants it was weird to see a strong country under attack.

As for it not to be shocking, terrorism isnt shocking. Obviously like you said, in 1993 terrorist blew up a bomb in the basement. What is shocking is the widescale plan that was not stopped. The plan could have easily been foiled but it wasn't. From what I remember reading after the attacks about the architecture that it was flawed. the beams they used were flexible to allow movement for winds and the "possible accident of small aircraft." The beams however were constructed too short and didnt provide flexibility for the plane. Plus the plane was much bigger than the model plane they used for construction. I absolutely believe the plane brought down the building. Like I said with time studies may have changed with further development and investigation.


Was I running down the streets crying and yelling? No, but was I crying? Absolutely. I think if more people identified with another and considered another there would be far less crime. It is easier to shut off people and be apathetic to others than it is to feel for them. I find it much easier to be desensitized than open your eyes and be empthatic.
[/quote:3mqznwex]


Sorry, thought i quoted this before.

Thats exactly what I'm saying.
"For the 5,000 people that died it directly affects probably 20,000 thats just assuming they have only 4 direct relatives. "

Those 20,000 people it directly effected all have reasons to cry. Thats why it was such a tragedy, because it DID directly effect so many people. My point is the people that it didnt, can be upset, but to be so distraught and crying just baffles me.

I dont believe the plane brought down the building for the pure fact that there are videos of bombs going off in the middle of the building when the planes hit. Also, a firefighter was shown carrying out a beam that had obviously been tampered with. If you havent seen it already, you should watch Loose Change and ZeitGeist. ZeitGeist only has a small part about the towers, most of it is about religion, but Loose Change covers it fully. Its a mind blowing video.

I identify with the victims, I do. I feel bad for the families of the victims, and for the survivors having been through that. And just because I didnt cry when the towers went down doesnt mean I'm gonna go kill someone. And trust me, if you were directly effected by the situation, or witnessed it, its a very traumatizing experience. Thats why I cant understand how people can be so deeply pained and cry hysterically when they didnt see it, experience it, or know someone who was involved. Again, before I get people flipping shit, if people were or are upset by the situation, its fine. I understand its a tragedy and people at the time were scared for another attack, cause trust me I was too, but like I said in the post before this the people who were crying hysterical, werent effected at all and didnt even know we were still in the war? ridiculous.

Are you trying to stick out or something? It's pretty arrogant to think only americans can have EMOTIONS.

Hundreds of people woke up that morning and got on a plane they'd never get off of. THOUSANDS of people went to work at the Towers and the Pentagon just like any other work day. No reason to worry, just another tuesday at the office. They'd never come home again. They were all innocent, none of them had anything to do with anything, their only crime was being average americans. And how many fire fighters and police rushed in just before the towers collapsed to try to save people, little regard for their own lives, running to their deaths. None of their families would ever see them again, their lives ended that day. Why? Because some hateful punkass towl head.

There were a lot of horrors on the news that day. A lot of blood and hate too. You could see people JUMPING to their death from the WTC, flip to another news channel and you see fucking people in the middle east CELEBRATING, they're eating this up, they love that this is happening to America. How fucking childish. Had something like this happened in their country, we wouldn't be celebrating.

The entire world was standing still, nobody knew what was happening, nobody could FATHOM what was happening, and everyone knew war was coming. I remember some people talking about WW3. Regardless of nationality you get the gravity of the situation, you KNOW the shit's hit the fan. A very cowardly person who preaches his religion to soldiers organized this attack, makes videos of himself and sends them to news stations and plots and makes threats, all the while he's in hiding.

What happened that day was pretty much fucking ridiculous.

I think crying over something so terrible is perfectly acceptable. I think the people who were distraught were the ones who honestly understood the travesty. Like i said it is easier to say, "yeah that sucks. Im sorry." Its much harder to understand what is going on and have empathy. Im not an emotional person. I never cry in movies, I rarely cry. Two times I can remember crying in the last 5 years: grandfather's death and [url=http://getwellpablo.blogspot.com/:37e4jdyt]http://getwellpablo.blogspot.com/[/url:37e4jdyt] However 911...I cried my eyes out. I have a blackheart but that is gut wrenching in the worst circumstances. I cant fathom the people who were trapped in that building were going through.


I do hate when people aren't sincere with their emotions. When they just want attention then I totally understand where you are coming from.

[quote="Court":8pbsfgm1]
I think crying over something so terrible is perfectly acceptable. I think the people who were distraught were the ones who honestly understood the travesty. Like i said it is easier to say, "yeah that sucks. Im sorry." Its much harder to understand what is going on and have empathy. Im not an emotional person. I never cry in movies, I rarely cry. Two times I can remember crying in the last 5 years: grandfather's death and [url=http://getwellpablo.blogspot.com/:8pbsfgm1]http://getwellpablo.blogspot.com/[/url:8pbsfgm1] However 911...I cried my eyes out. I have a blackheart but that is gut wrenching in the worst circumstances. I cant fathom the people who were trapped in that building were going through.


I do hate when people aren't sincere with their emotions. When they just want attention then I totally understand where you are coming from.
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what's the story behind that pablo kid?

[quote="meatfilledpastry":1347hhhs]
what's the story behind that pablo kid?
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He lost a 13th month battle with cancer. NIN manager's son Pablo passed away a few days ago.

[quote="Kelley":rrnfvfx0]
What was the last pizza delivered to the World Trade Center?



















Two Large Planes.
[/quote:rrnfvfx0]


I loled. And I think jokes are always in good tastes. If you can't laugh at something horrible, then the terrorists win!

[quote="meatfilledpastry":2x3ahyd2]
Are you trying to stick out or something? It's pretty arrogant to think only americans can have EMOTIONS.

Hundreds of people woke up that morning and got on a plane they'd never get off of. THOUSANDS of people went to work at the Towers and the Pentagon just like any other work day. No reason to worry, just another tuesday at the office. They'd never come home again. They were all innocent, none of them had anything to do with anything, their only crime was being average americans. And how many fire fighters and police rushed in just before the towers collapsed to try to save people, little regard for their own lives, running to their deaths. None of their families would ever see them again, their lives ended that day. Why? Because some hateful punkass towl head.

There were a lot of horrors on the news that day. A lot of blood and hate too. You could see people JUMPING to their death from the WTC, flip to another news channel and you see fucking people in the middle east CELEBRATING, they're eating this up, they love that this is happening to America. How fucking childish. Had something like this happened in their country, we wouldn't be celebrating.

The entire world was standing still, nobody knew what was happening, nobody could FATHOM what was happening, and everyone knew war was coming. I remember some people talking about WW3. Regardless of nationality you get the gravity of the situation, you KNOW the shit's hit the fan. A very cowardly person who preaches his religion to soldiers organized this attack, makes videos of himself and sends them to news stations and plots and makes threats, all the while he's in hiding.

What happened that day was pretty much fucking ridiculous.
[/quote:2x3ahyd2]


No, I'm not trying to stick out. And If you read, I never said only Americans have emotions, I'm saying that 9/11 didnt really effect the entire world. It effected America, our allies, and the countries that we invaded to try and find the asshole that supposedly caused it. I dont think the entire world was standing still. It was obviosly shocking, but people in other countries heard about it, probably felt bad, and went on with their days. Same as how when the people here heard about the attacks in Barcelona they felt terrible about the lives lost, but none the less continued their days.

[quote="Court":2x3ahyd2]
I think crying over something so terrible is perfectly acceptable. I think the people who were distraught were the ones who honestly understood the travesty. Like i said it is easier to say, "yeah that sucks. Im sorry." Its much harder to understand what is going on and have empathy. Im not an emotional person. I never cry in movies, I rarely cry. Two times I can remember crying in the last 5 years: grandfather's death and [url=http://getwellpablo.blogspot.com/:2x3ahyd2]http://getwellpablo.blogspot.com/[/url:2x3ahyd2] However 911...I cried my eyes out. I have a blackheart but that is gut wrenching in the worst circumstances. I cant fathom the people who were trapped in that building were going through.


[b:2x3ahyd2]I do hate when people aren't sincere with their emotions. When they just want attention then I totally understand where you are coming from.[/b:2x3ahyd2]
[/quote:2x3ahyd2]


That is ALL i'm trying to say, plus the fact that I dont believe that 9/11 effected the ENTIRE world. Possibly our allies, like Andy said, fearing for WW3, but definatley not the entire world.
Also, I understand how completely horrible it was. I was scared shitless, but I didnt cry. Then again, I rarely cry. I believe I've cried twice in the last 9 years.

[quote="Vicky Wild":53idq3c3]
These are our fellow human beings..and it really does make me sad to think about how horrific what they went through must have been.
[/quote:53idq3c3]

Exactly.

I guess the way we respond to such things is so different for every individual, maybe due to differences in the genes that make some people more emotional than others, or the way you were brought up, our experiences, I don't know. Clearly there's a huge difference in the way people see these situations.

I hate to admit that I'm an overly emotional person but I most definitely am and it's something that is out of my control most of the time. I don't want to think of myself as a person who has cried like a child over the death of Michael Jackson, it sounds so ridiculous, but I have and I am and that's the undeniable truth! We're all just very different for whatever reason.

I think I may be overly emotional because I had a pretty happy childhood, so when I reached my teens it all seemed such a shock when you start to see how awful the world and people can be, but maybe someone who didn't have such a good time growing up would not be as emotional about life because all they've ever known was mediocre or unpleasant.

Well it's a theory! :huh:

i think 9/11 was a scary moment for alot of people, it was a emotional time for me as i have family out there, but also
you would then assume that after this, a war would occur and it did. So then England got involved with it to. You can be affected by any tragedy where ever you are.

Dude I get emotional when I read about the Holocaust, and that wasn't even in my lifetime.

We've been watching Nazi documentaries in history this year.. Horrible stuff. An elderly man who was in Auswitch said that when they took the children and women away he thought they were going to a family camp, "How nice!". Later he found out they were taken directly to the gas chambers.

I cried when Mrs. Gцbbels killed her 6 children in [i:382edw82]Der Untergang[/i:382edw82]. I can't believe how anyone could..

I have a horrible fascination with the Holocaust. I want to visit Auschwitz. I think I'd cry the whole time though.

I just can't comprehend how human beings could be capable of something like that, I think thats why it gets me, cause I know I'll never understand.

I got a kind of deja vu then, I might have said this before on here.

Christ MJ to Holocaust...we're a positive group of people aren't we?

I knew my spelling would be incorrect, but I was too lazy to determine the correct German name for that hellhole.
This thread is amazing, the topic changes on each page.

What positive things could we talk about?

When something horrible happens to humans...I can relate because...I am human. Your location doesn't matter.

I cried when I watched a documentary on 9/11, I cry whenever I read Anne Franks diary/watch films about her, I cry when I think about the horrific events of world war 2-events which affected everyone.

I guess I'm "plain stupid."

[quote="GreenEyedBitch925":pbbo16f3]
No, I'm not trying to stick out. And If you read, I never said only Americans have emotions, I'm saying that 9/11 didnt really effect the entire world. It effected America, our allies, and the countries that we invaded to try and find the asshole that supposedly caused it. I dont think the entire world was standing still. It was obviosly shocking, but people in other countries heard about it, probably felt bad, and went on with their days. Same as how when the people here heard about the attacks in Barcelona they felt terrible about the lives lost, but none the less continued their days.



That is ALL i'm trying to say, plus the fact that I dont believe that 9/11 effected the ENTIRE world. Possibly our allies, like Andy said, fearing for WW3, but definatley not the entire world.
Also, I understand how completely horrible it was. I was scared shitless, but I didnt cry. Then again, I rarely cry. I believe I've cried twice in the last 9 years.
[/quote:pbbo16f3]





I think I'm speaking for everyone when I say this. Please, shut the fuck up. You keep saying the same dumb shit over and over again. You stopped making sense a long time ago. I beseech you. Stop.

[quote="Court":1gedo0y1]
When something horrible happens to humans...I can relate because...I am human. Your location doesn't matter.
[/quote:1gedo0y1]


Exactly.

Also, did you hear that people get a commemorative ticket or their money back for their original MJ tickets? I'd get the money, cause, i know there's not a lot they can do, but a pretty piece of paper doesn't really make up for it.

I heard they were gonna replace the concerts with tribute concerts. Thats a much better idea imo.

[quote="meatfilledpastry":2tza0pz9]


I think I'm speaking for everyone when I say this. Please, shut the fuck up. You keep saying the same dumb shit over and over again. You stopped making sense a long time ago. I beseech you. Stop.
[/quote:2tza0pz9]


I heartily lol'd.

Reminds me of Mark Lemarr losing it at Jonathon Ross on Nevermind The Buzzcocks, just less angry.

[quote="Richard":20lhrsm3]
I heartily lol'd.

Reminds me of Mark Lemarr losing it at Jonathon Ross on Nevermind The Buzzcocks, just less angry.
[/quote:20lhrsm3]


I don't know who those people are?

[quote="Richard":pou9yu4o]
I heartily lol'd.

Reminds me of Mark Lemarr losing it at Jonathon Ross on Nevermind The Buzzcocks, just less angry.
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That sounds like something I should already know about...

youtube?

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSv1t8YpUJQ:3m6235qm]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSv1t8YpUJQ[/url:3m6235qm]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSv1t8YpUJQ:10nwg2pl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSv1t8YpUJQ[/url:10nwg2pl]

Edit: Damnit, tree'd.
Fuckin' Youtube being a slow sack of shit.

ha ha ha. SHUT THE FUCK UP ROSS

ON BEHALF OF THE BBC

i lol'd

I love Mark Lamarr so much, thanks for the video, it made my night haha.

[quote="Ladyluck":2627712x]
I love Mark Lamarr so much, thanks for the video, it made my night haha.
[/quote:2627712x]


+2319837

Why the hell do people like Simon more?!
He's wrecked NMTB, it's gone soft and become so... pathetic.
Bill's gone and even Phil's looking bored as fuck every week, it needs Lemarr hatred damnit.

Is he on the radio now?

He's on BBC Radio 2 late Saturday night maybe, I've heard him on a few times.

[quote="Vicky Wild":1gxkbmyh]
I cried when I watched a documentary on 9/11, I cry whenever I read Anne Franks diary/watch films about her, I cry when I think about the horrific events of world war 2-events which affected everyone.

I guess I'm "plain stupid."
[/quote:1gxkbmyh]


No watching a documentary on ww2 and some of the suffering...man...it is hard to take. It's hard to imagine a human torturing another human...an innocent one.

[quote="GreenEyedBitch925":1vrchtfx]
No, I'm not trying to stick out. And If you read, I never said only Americans have emotions, [b:1vrchtfx]I'm saying that 9/11 didnt really effect the entire world. It effected America, our allies, and the countries that we invaded to try and find the asshole that supposedly caused it. I dont think the entire world was standing still. It was obviosly shocking, but people in other countries heard about it, probably felt bad, and went on with their days.[/b:1vrchtfx] Same as how when the people here heard about the attacks in Barcelona they felt terrible about the lives lost, but none the less continued their days.



That is ALL i'm trying to say, plus the fact that I dont believe that 9/11 effected the ENTIRE world. Possibly our allies, like Andy said, fearing for WW3, but definatley not the entire world.
Also, I understand how completely horrible it was. I was scared shitless, but I didnt cry. Then again, I rarely cry. I believe I've cried twice in the last 9 years.
[/quote:1vrchtfx]


That's SO NOT TRUE. Even though we don't want to, America effects us ALOT. Alot of my friends who were in the army at the time were shipped to Iraq, because america had a fake fucking stupid war. Not just that, it was everything. I was kinda pissed to be honest. Okay, TERRIBLE thing that happened, really, but fucking a, alot of shit happens that the world closes its eyes to. Africa....? How many people die there during one day because of starvation? Anybody know...? How many people per year? ALOT more than those who got killed that day.

[quote="Richard":4d0x91h5]
I heartily lol'd.

Reminds me of Mark Lemarr losing it at Jonathon Ross on Nevermind The Buzzcocks, just less angry.
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yes!!!!!!!! mark lamar is amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[quote="Vicky Wild":4d0x91h5]

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nice bum!

[quote="tracy.":4d0x91h5]

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the more i see of this guy i want to be him!

[quote="tom316":kcrlmqbz]
yes!!!!!!!! mark lamar is amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



nice bum!



the more i see of this guy i want to be him!
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Conan? OMG I LUV HIM.

[quote="meatfilledpastry":72bqdu7v]
I think I'm speaking for everyone when I say this. Please, shut the fuck up. You keep saying the same dumb shit over and over again. You stopped making sense a long time ago. I beseech you. Stop.
[/quote:72bqdu7v]


1, i KNOW i keep saying the same shit because that was my point, and it didnt get across, and i really have nothing else to say on the matter than what I already have, other than I guess I'm just not as emotional.
2, i dont know what beseech means, but I'd be more than happy to stop this argument because its pointless, really. Everyone feels different on the situation, and everyones entitled to their opinions, as am I.

How long does it take to reach the ground from 107 stories up?










The rest of your life!