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when i was a kid, i only received like 20% of the vaccinations that they offer children now (that's an estimation on my part). i figured you might be interested to know these things. some of them are quite sickening.

doctors, and the companies who make vaxes, get paid a crapload of money for pushing these on us which, i feel, is one of the reasons they are always making new vaxes. they scare us by saying that if kids get chicken pox they have a greater risk of getting shingles as an adult. this is true because shingles is basically a re-occurance of chicken pox. it's not harmful, just painful. what they fail to mention is that:
vaccines ware off after something like 8-10 years, so at best this vax is just delaying chicken pox, and the older a child is when he gets the disease, the more painful it is.
they also don't mention that in some cases- especially with live virus vaccines- the shots actually CAUSE the disease. it's not dangerous at all. it's a form of herpes which means it's annoying and uncomfortable and then goes away. the best way to avoid this is to stay healthy and not to inject the virus and crazy chemicals directly into the body.

hep b is one of my favorite vaccines to scoff at, because- and it says this on the insert- hep b is contracted either sexually or through contaminated needles. this means that the only way a newborn child can get it is if the mother has it. so why are they routinely giving it to children minutes after birth? i'm pretty sure my son isn't going to come out of me shooting dope and having promiscuous sex.

another one of my favorites they are pushing is gardisil. it's the one for cervical cancer. the vaccine protects agains HPV- an STD. they are offering this to girls ages 11-13. and what's even better is that they are supposedly starting to recommend this to pre-teen boys. i highly doubt that any boy is at risk for cervical cancer. i think they are doing this to double the market for the shot.

this link has the package inserts (your Dr must provide these upon request, by the way). the first couple paragraphs have the ingredients and method of productions, there is also info on side effects, contraindications, warnings etc. an important thing to note is that no thimerosal (50% mercury- the biggest controversy) is in the ingredients. however, it is used to make the vaxes then chemically extracted leaving trace amounts that still impact our system, but is not required to be listed:
[url=http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm:raalsjer]http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm[/url:raalsjer]

this has the ingredients listed in plain english:
[url=http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html:raalsjer]http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html[/url:raalsjer]

some stats. the first and last charts are most intriguing to me:
[url=http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/st...tics_report.htm:raalsjer]http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/st...tics_report.htm[/url:raalsjer]

this is a really good article about how our bodies are built to fight disease and build antibodies and how vaccines over ride our system and overwhelm our bodies:
[url=http://www.healthy.net/scr/Article.asp?Id=539&xcntr=2:raalsjer]http://www.healthy.net/scr/Article.asp?Id=539&xcntr=2[/url:raalsjer]

More on links to SIDS:
[url=http://www.thinktwice.com/sids.htm:raalsjer]http://www.thinktwice.com/sids.htm[/url:raalsjer]

Bush's mercury cover-up:
[url=http://www.ewire.com/display.cfm/Wire_ID/1425:raalsjer]http://www.ewire.com/display.cfm/Wire_ID/1425[/url:raalsjer]


i read (vax vs crib death) and it made me so sick to my stomach and prompted me to make this thread, the straw that broke my back. it's all about how some aussie scientists accidentally found a direct correlation between the DTP vax and SIDS. i have it on my computer. let me know if you're interested in reading it.

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WOW! Megapost. Interesting though and you have a point, I only got like, a quarter of the vaccinations they give nowadays.

Some health service, that can possibly endanger every baby under it's care.

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my favourite is the flu shot.. i have to get it for school.. but i think its pointless.. it helps you prevent LAST YEARS flu virusses.. but the thing is.. that the viruses adapt to our immunities.. so therefore.. the flu shot doesnt do dick for any new strands of the flu.. its retarded...

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I don't even know which vaccinations I've got, I have a few..

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Hello.
I'm new here, and this caught my eye.
I have an 11 year old daughter, and her doc is pushing the Gardasil. She will not be getting it. When reading the package insert, it stated that 2 girls in the control group eventually got autoimmune diseases, while 9 in the group that got the Gardasil got autoimmune diseases. I have 2 autoimmune diseases, so my daughter already has a genetic predisposition. The point is that had I not read the insert, I would have had no idea of this link between the shot and autoimmune diseases. My doctor wasn't exactly forthcoming with the info, and wasn't even aware of the link, and did not believe me, until I showed him. Most doctors really believe that immunizations are imperative, and that there is no real risk involved.
He still thought giving her the shot was a good idea.
We vaccinate selectively. Most of the current vaccinations are useless, if not dangerous. One that we did get for my younger daughter is the rotavirus vaccine. My older daughter got rotavirus a few years ago, and almost died. (rotavirus is a common virus that causes vomitting and diarhea. The poor kid was doing both, at the same time, two or three times and hour, for three days. She ended up in the hospital for 6 days, severely dehydrated, was let go, the vomitting and diahrea came back, back in the hospital for 5 days.) However, we passed on most other vaccinations.
Educate yourself. Know the risk and benefits for each vaccination. Also, because so many people do vaccinate that those who decide not to vaccinate have herd immunity...sounds kinda mean, but all it means that if just about everyone is vaccinated against chicken pox, your child's chance of getting chicken pox is much lower, even if he isn't immunized.


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exactly. vaccinations are one of the most scary things to me. especially since they're pushed on society SO much that the doctors don't know much about them themselves.
western medicine.... how i love thee.

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gardisil makes me so angry. a lot of states are pushing to make the vaccine required by law. i think that's totally outrageous! like kelly said, the vaccine doesn't protect against cervical cancer, as the ads lead us to believe. it prevents hpv, which is a sexually transmitted disease.
that "one less" commercial they air makes me furious. they present the product as the only answer to the problem, as if we have no choice in the matter. hpv is totally preventable!
rather than pumping our daughters full of chemicals in their pre-teenage years, why don't we teach them to respect themselves enough not to have promiscuous sex?

another thing that worries me about all early childhood vaccines is the theory that they may trigger autism.

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Also, gardasil is only effective against 2 of the virus strains that cause hpv. So, just because you get the shot does not mean you won't get hpv.
I don't get the gov. making any immunizations mandatory....my kid, shouldn't I have the final say as to what goes into his/ her body? Currently, I have to lie and say I don't immunize for religious reasons in order to get my kids into school. (Even though I selectively immunize).
Also, if you don't immunize, people act like your kid is dangerous, when in reality recently vaccinated kids pose a threat to those who are not immunized...if the vaccine is a live virus vaccine, some of the vaccine is shed in bodily fluids and, um, poo. In the package inserts for live virus vaccines, it warns that immune suppressed individuals should not change diapers for babies who have recently been vaccinated.


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apparently it isn't mandatory to immunize your kid for school. i heard it's illegal. they just make you [i:3c9174o5]think[/i:3c9174o5] it's mandatory. i have yet to look into that.

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my favourite is the flu shot.. i have to get it for school.. but i think its pointless.. it helps you prevent LAST YEARS flu virusses.. but the thing is.. that the viruses adapt to our immunities.. so therefore.. the flu shot doesnt do dick for any new strands of the flu.. its retarded...
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I thought flu shots also had a chance of actually GIVING you the flu?

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I thought flu shots also had a chance of actually GIVING you the flu?
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they also don't mention that in some cases- especially with live virus vaccines- the shots actually CAUSE the disease. it's not dangerous at all. it's a form of herpes which means it's annoying and uncomfortable and then goes away. the best way to avoid this is to stay healthy and not to inject the virus and crazy chemicals directly into the body.
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Wasn't paying attention. : p

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no worries. i barely ever read your longer posts either. and they sure aren't as long as the beginning of this thread.

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no worries. i barely ever read your longer posts either. and they sure aren't as long as the beginning of this thread.
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You know, I hardly even pay attention to MY OWN posts. : p

And I don't have any kids and I can't think of any vaccinations I've had...

So I mostly just glanced at the thread.

HOWEVER. While on the subject. My brother-in-law stabbed himself pretty deep on a rusty nail the other day. In his arm.
He didn't go to see a doctor. I TOLD him he has to go get a shot, but he didn't want to. He said his cousin is a school teacher and told him it was safe to wait up to a week to get it.

Next day his arm is stiff.

This morning he woke up and his jaw was very stiff.

I fuckin told him! Now he claims he was only dreaming his jaw was stiff.

That punk.

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see? like that. i didn't read that.

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stuff about the vitamin k shot...

[i:3d3c55f1]Note: If no Vitamin K shot is given, Drs will not (or at least should not) perform circumcision until 8 days after birth when the infant's body has produced an ample amount of K on its own.[/i:3d3c55f1]



[b:3d3c55f1]National Standard Mandates Newborn Vitamin K Injection:
Ignorance Becomes Tacit Consent for the Questionable Neonatal Procedure
by Don Harkins[/b:3d3c55f1]

In cooperation with a "national standard," most, if not all states have mandated that U.S. hospitals routinely administer to all newborns a synthetic, fat-soluble vitamin K injection (generic name phytonadione) that exceeds an infant’s recommended daily dietary intake of the vitamin by 100 times. Peer reviewed journals have linked large doses of vitamin K to childhood cancers and leukemia. Animal studies have linked large doses of vitamin K to a variety of conditions that include anemia, liver damage, kidney damage and death.
"Little is known about the metabolic fate of vitamin K. Almost no unmetabolized vitamin K appears in bile or urine," states both the 1988 and 1998 Physician’s Desk Reference (PDR). "This is especially important due to the fact that it is a fat-soluble vitamin and therefore can accumulate in the body," wrote Vitamin K Resources (VKR) in the extremely well-documented and footnoted 1999 article, Intramuscular Vitamin K Injection: Is K OK? In the 1988 PDR Merck’s literature states that, "A single intramuscular dose of AquaMEPHYTON (Merck brand vitamin K injection) 0.5 to 1 mg within one hour of birth is recommended." Merck’s 1998 PDR entry for AquaMEPHYTON has removed adverse reaction liability from the pharmaceutical giant by stating, "The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) recommends that Vitamin K1 be given to the newborn."
Vitamin K injections are ostensibly administered to newborns to prevent vitamin K deficiency bleeding (such as hemophilia) that may occur in approximately 1 in 10,000 live births. "This figure would probably be much lower if high risk newborns were excluded [from this figure]," wrote VKR. Parents who wish to refuse the shot must do so in writing prior to the birth of their baby. Parental ignorance of the state-mandated injection is considered by hospitals as tacit consent authorizing them to administer the potentially damaging synthetic vitamin dose to newborns. Five post partem nurses from hospitals in Idaho, Washington and Oregon stated that they "routinely administer vitamin K injections to newborns," as if all of them were reading from the same script. According to a seasoned Sacred Heart Medical Center (Spokane, WA), Birthplace nurse named Terri, "Routine vitamin K injections are in cooperation with the federal standard." She also said that Washington hospitals are mandated by state code to provide the injections to all newborns. Terri acknowledged that parents who wish to refuse the shot must present the refusal to the hospital in writing before the baby is born.
Scientists question intelligence of universal IM vitamin K injections Dr. Louise Parker was quoted in the British Medical Journal in 1998 as stating, "It is not possible, on the basis of currently published evidence, to refute the suggestion that neonatal IM vitamin K administration increases the risk of early childhood leukemia." The British Journal of Cancer published "Factors associated with childhood cancer" by J. Golding, et al, in 1990. The report indicated that universally administered IM vitamin K injections significantly increase our children’s chances of developing childhood cancer. A follow-up study published two years later in the British Medical Journal reinforced the findings of the previous study. The authors’ comments, in keeping with scientific style, are conservatively stated, but parents who are concerned about the health of their babies will read "danger" between the following lines: "The only two studies so far to have examined the relation between childhood cancer and intramuscular vitamin K have shown similar results and the relation is biologically plausible. The prophylactic benefits against haemorrhagic disease are unlikely to exceed the potential adverse effects from intramuscular vitamin K..."
Both studies recommend that policies should be adopted to administer IM vitamin K injections only to high risk babies. Babies who have been identified as being at risk for vitamin K deficiency include those born to mothers who took drugs or antibiotics during pregnancy, premature babies and babies who are born cesarean. Mothers who had maternity diets low in high vitamin K foods or had diets that were low in fat have also been identified as being more likely to bear vitamin K deficient babies.
Naturopathic physicians and others who successfully adhere to a more natural approach to healthcare advocate that high-risk mothers should increase the amount of vitamin K available to the fetus during pregnancy by eating adequate amounts of green leafy vegetables. It is also recommended that mothers continue to eat vitamin K rich foods after giving birth so that their infants will receive the natural form of the vital vitamin through their breast milk. As early as April 17, 1977, an article in one of the world’s most esteemed medical journals, the Lancet, discredited the policy of routine vitamin K injections. "We conclude that healthy babies, contrary to current beliefs, are not likely to have a vitamin K deficiency....the administration of vitamin K is not supported by our findings..." Van Doorm, et al stated in the Lancet article.
VKR cited 21 peer-reviewed reports that had been published in prominent medical journals. All of them concur that policies which mandate the universal injection of newborn babies are not based in sound science. There has been much peer-reviewed evidence generated which questions the efficacy of routine vitamin K injections as sound public health policy. Why, then, since publication of the July, 1987 article in Pediatrics "Health codes for newborns" when it was stated that only five states required hospitals to administer neonatal vitamin K injections, are they now mandated by most, if not all states?
Commonsensically, VKR poses the question, "...how could God (or nature) have erred so badly as to give all newborn babies only an infinitesimal fraction of their required vitamin K? Surely the human race could not have survived to this point if all newborns were born with this deficiency and none being administered at birth until very recently."
Although there seems to be no evidence to support universal IM vitamin K injections among the newborn from a public health standpoint, the medical establishment, as informed by the Food and Drug Administration, the AAP and as supplied by the pharmaceutical companies such as Merck, Roche Laboratories and Abbott Laboratories, continues to endorse state mandated, routine IM vitamin K injections.

Eye of newt, spleen of bat? The body most readily utilizes vitamins and minerals that are found in plants. The body less readily utilizes synthetic vitamins and minerals. The vitamin K administered by hospitals to newborns is the synthetic phytonadione. The natural forms of vitamin K that are found in many foods, particularly in vegetables such as collard greens, spinach, broccoli, asparagus, brussels sprouts and salad greens, are called phylloquinone or menaquinone. Certain bacteria in the intestinal tract also produce menaquinones.
The vitamin K injections administered by hospitals and manufactured by Merck and Roche and Abbott are not only synthetic but, according to the packet inserts and the PDR, contain benzyl alcohol as a preservative. The 1989 PDR states that, "there is no evidence to suggest that the small amount of benzyl alcohol contained in AquaMEPHYTON (Merck’s vitamin K injection product), when used as recommended, is associated with toxicity."
Interestingly, in November, 1988, the French medical journal Dev Pharmacol Ther published a paper regarding benzyl alcohol metabolism and elimination in babies. The report stated that "...we cannot directly answer the issue of safety of ‘low doses’ of benzyl alcohol as found in some medications administered to neonates. This study confirms the immaturity of the benzoic acid detoxification process in premature newborns."
The 1998 PDR still states, contrary to the published findings of French scientists in 1988, "there is no evidence to suggest that..." There has been little reason to study the toxicological effects of benzyl alcohol over the last decade since state legislators have provided synthetic vitamin K manufacturers with the guaranteed marketplace of nearly every child born in a U.S. hospital.
Vitamin K injections manufactured as recently as 1995 contain hydrochloric acid "for pH adjustment." Roche’s vitamin K product KONAKION contains ingredients such as phenol (carbolic acid—a poisonous substance distilled from coal tar), propylene glycol (derived from petroleum and used as an antifreeze and in hydraulic brake fluid) and acetic acid (an astringent antimicrobial agent that may drastically reduce the amount of natural vitamin K that would have otherwise been produced in the digestive tract). As reported in the PDR and as published in the IM vitamin K packet inserts for Merck, Roche and Abbott, "Studies of carcinogenicity, mutagenesis or impairment of fertility have not been conducted with Vitamin K1 Injection (Phytonadione Injection, USP)."
The purpose of this article is to alert expectant parents that their ignorance of federally-suggested, state mandated hospital policy is enough assent to authorize health care professionals to administer what may be a lethal or damaging overdose of a synthetic substance that comes with the following warning from the manufacturers: "Severe reactions, including fatalities, have occurred during and immediately after INTRAVENOUS injection of phytonadione even when precautions have been taken to dilute the vitamin and avoid rapid infusion..."
Please pass the preceeding information onto anybody you know who is expecting a baby. Afterall, we have the right to know what substances are being injected into our babies within the first hour of their lives. If we feel that a substance may be injurious to our baby, we have the right to refuse it.

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my dads a doctor so i get the shots he tells me to get. i got the gardisil shot and thats all i have gotten in the last few months.

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I've got a lot of shots and I'm fine?

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i smoked for years and i'm fine. doesn't make it good for you.

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i'm pretty sure my son isn't going to come out of me shooting dope and having promiscuous sex.
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That made me giggle...
On another note though, it's very scary...we're supposed to trust doctors and those alike and here they are just wanting a few extra bucks off of our lives. We're just the little sheep that follow the orders of the herder, unfortunately.

I also heard that certain vaccines cause children to have autism...but I've also heard that exceptionally smart parents have a higher rate of having a child with autism...so who knows?!


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not all vaxes are bad, the polio epidemic was stopped because of vaxes and that generation never suffered any health problems from them.

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yeh. but that was also decades ago, don't forget.

side note, my grandfather had polio and is now a hunchback. my entire life, he wasn't supposed to be able to walk. he's still got his cane...

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[b:2rhfxquk]yeh. but that was also decades ago, don't forget.[/b:2rhfxquk]

side note, my grandfather had polio and is now a hunchback. my entire life, he wasn't supposed to be able to walk. he's still got his cane...
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exactly by now if vacciniations were so bad we would be seeing the side effects by now. on a side not i know of some people who will not get vaccinations if they have fetal tissue in them.

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you should check out the link i posted about the ingredients in the vaccinations. mercury? really?

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you should check out the link i posted about the ingredients in the vaccinations. mercury? really?
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well its not the mercury i am worried about b/c we are exposed to tiny trace amounts everyday but fetal tissue?

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According to Dr Sears they add formaldehyde, yes FORMALDEHYDE, to vaccines in order to (among other things) counteract the harmful effects of the other toxins added (like aluminum, mercury, [i:1evq4odl]anti-freeze[/i:1evq4odl] [yes, they put anti-freeze in our children's vaccinations] etc.) in the shots. Because formaldehyde is "harmless!" I love the argument that there have been no studies proving that these substances are harmful. This is true simply because there have been [b:1evq4odl]no adequate studies[/b:1evq4odl].

Also, Court. Polio does still exist. It's among a small percentage of the human population.

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Something I learned today. The human blood-brain barrier doesn't fully develop until two years of age. The blood-brain barrier (BBB) is a membranic structure that acts primarily to protect the brain from chemicals in the blood, while still allowing essential metabolic function.

Uncontrollable screaming and headache is a common side effect of vaccines, this is actually Encephalitis. Encephalitis is dangerous, as you can read in the Wiki links below. It's one reason some wait until the BBB is formed before getting any shots.

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[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_brain_barrier:ya95p01k]Blood-brain barrier[/url:ya95p01k]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encephalitis:ya95p01k]Encephalitis[/url:ya95p01k]

So if we do decide to get Logan any kind of vaccination, it definitely won't be until he's two. And we'd only get one shot/series a year.

I'm also putting together a small thing that lists the vaccines they recommend for the first eighteen months of life, the ingredients that are worrisome (I'll list all if requested), the side effects that come with them and also the possible neurological reactions.

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Regarding Gardisil, I wish Governments would invest some of the funds they put into the vaccine into educating children against pre-teen & teen sex and using condoms. That would surely be at least half the battle?


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Maybe, but I believe that to be mostly the parent's job. That's probably why they don't.

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Maybe, but I believe that to be mostly the parent's job. That's probably why they don't.
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I agree but unfortunately it doesn't seem to be working in the UK but I suppose it's the same the world over. Depressing! I'll be making sure my son knows all about it when the time is right.


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Yeh. And I personally believe it's an on-going conversation. Not so much a one sit down talk. There's just too much to cover in just one talk.

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Jenny Mcarthy is pushing for green vaccines. I was reading a little bit on that today in my newspaper.

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Earlier this month, another baby died from a vaccination. The medical community has shut down all vaccinations until further investigation. FINALLY. A [i:qt2gzgmk]little[/i:qt2gzgmk] recognition from the conservatives of western medicine.

They say this stuff can't be proven because of lack of adequate studies. I can't believe they use that argument for themselves. [i:qt2gzgmk]Shouldn't[/i:qt2gzgmk] there be proper adequate studies if we're going to shove shit like anti-freeze into our baby's veins? I agree with their statement. So… [b:qt2gzgmk]show me adequate studies and then I will be satisfied[/b:qt2gzgmk]. Until then, Medical Community, I deem you retarded.

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I know a kid that got all his first immunizations (or some kind of shots) and they made him deaf.


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Yeh, that happened to Miss America in the 80's, if my memory serves me correctly.

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Jenny Mcarthy is pushing for green vaccines. I was reading a little bit on that today in my newspaper.
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I thought I replied to this, I guess not.

Yes, Jenny Mcarthy heads the green vaccines campaign with Jim Carey (also her boyfriend). She is VERY vocal about it because her son is autistic due to vaccinations. Going green is definitely a step in the right direction. They'd still be research worthy though. Since we humans are built with this phenomenal thing called the immune system.

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apparently it isn't mandatory to immunize your kid for school. i heard it's illegal. they just make you [i:1q4xule9]think[/i:1q4xule9] it's mandatory. i have yet to look into that.
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You cannot attend a public school without vaccinations IF you don't fill out an exemption form. Depending on your state you can get an exemption for medical, religious, or philosophical reasons. Medical exemptions are difficult to get, and I believe there is something like 2 states out of the 50 in the US that ONLY accept medical exemptions. I live in Ohio, and here they accept all three. You can find more information online as to what your state accepts.


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